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Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lady_Hawkeye - 09-04-2016

(09-04-2016, 11:13 AM)Weeto Wrote:  I know I'm an obsessive wrestling fan but I'm so excited that one of the holy grails of pro wrestling footage has been found and will be made available in on WWE Network within days.

Back on 23 October 1983, two top names in the industry of the time, 'Wildfire' Tommy Rich and 'Mad Dog' Buzz Sawyer brought an 18 month feud to a conclusion with the first ever enclosed cage match in history, with the babyface Rich facing off against the sadistic heel Sawyer. Sawyer's manager 'Pretty' Paul Ellering was held in a separate cage 20 feet in the air. Those 2 battled in bloody brawls constantly and attacked each other at every turn before facing off in front of 10,000 at the Omni in Atlanta in a huge match for Georgia Championship Wrestling (one of the major promotions of the era) but despite a lot of pre match hype, no footage of the match aired and there was NO mention of it at all on the next GCW TV show.

There are stories that footage was either accidentally wiped by a technician or that Ole Anderson, the booker of the show intentionally wiped it for some reason. The feud came to a sudden halt and about 5 months later they were teaming together.

Fans have wanted to see footage for years and despite a few people claiming to have seen taped footage, it was thought to be lost but WWE have tracked down footage and it will be shown on WWE's online Network.

Some grainy 1983 footage from a regional promotion may seem like nothing to non fans but in wrestling terms, this is a historic find and it would be like finding a new Charlie Chaplin or John Wayne movie and this match was the precursor to what is now known as a Hell In A Cell match in WWE plus GCW footage is very popular as it was a major element to the war between the then World Wrestling Federation (now World Wrestling Entertainment) and the National Wrestling Alliance (a large group of regional promoters who would have a single world champion and work together at times) as the Brisco brothers sold their stake and TV slot to Vince McMahon of the WWF and also secured jobs with him but this also led to Black Saturday on TBS when GCW programming was replaced by WWF and national expansion started to creep into pro wrestling, something previously unthinkable. The NWA increasingly focused on Jim Crockett Promotions, that started to expand out of their traditional Carolinas heartland and were frequently running in Georgia, Florida, the Carolinas and expanding into Chicago and Detroit as well. JCP overstretched their finances while WWF were running most of their business in and around the North East and increasingly into Canada, they were gradually going further afield too.

JCP was eventually purchased by the owner of the TBS TV station they were on, Ted Turner. There had been an agreement that McMahon would sell his slot to JCP previously and it had something to do with not being able to be on TBS and USA at the same time. Turner wanted McMahon to go to him full time but Vince wanted to stay on USA and pledged loyalty to them instead.

This meant that Ted Turner with the first cable Superstation TBS, who had a history of promoting regional wrestling on TV nationwide had a chance to push his promotion on his networks and Jim Crockett Promotions needed a new name to prove his ambition and what better name than the name of the Georgia Championship Wrestling and later Jim Crockett Promotions show that aired on TBS - World Championship Wrestling.

WCW would labour to continuous losses for years but Ted Turner kept putting money in despite it seeming a less polished and still extremely Southern promotion, although with an arguably better standard of actual wrestling much of the time as WWF of the late 80s and early 90s was comically OTT, with ridiculous cartoony characters like Ultimate Warrior while WCW were giving us the likes of Ric Flair.

WCW was still lacking glamour though and it was when the chance to get Hulk Hogan in 1994 when he was filming Thunder in Paradise, an action adventure TV show about ex military guys with a fast speedboat fighting criminals that they made contact and signed him up to the shock of Vince McMahon that had let Hogan leave to do TV but with the assumption he was retired.

WCW would sign (or resign) any major talent they could get and went in for the kill by airing live shows every week and striking WWF with every low blow imaginable such as giving away results of taped shows.

WCW were winning big and WWF were in the toilet, the Monday Night Wars were becoming a squash match and Vince McMahon looked dead in the water.

It then took a change to an edgier style of show with more violence and adult themes plus a lot of overlooked ex WCW guys to change things around.

I don't agree with WWF's history of events though and they did NOT beat WCW on their own steam, instead WCW were spending too much money and the new corporate masters of AOL Time Warner (that didn't bow to Ted Turner at every turn) weren't happy with gains turning to losses due to awful decisions at times and started downscaling which brought about the inevitable demise and sale of the company for 4.1m dollars to Vince McMahon. This had been a company that was paying wrestlers ridiculously high guaranteed contracts shortly before. Some remained under contract to the parent company of WCW after the sale and they didn't transfer over in many cases until their contracts expired as they could sometimes be on three times the going rate and not have to work but signing for McMahon meant their contracts were not valid and they wouldn't get both. McMahon wasn't willing to pay the full rate for WCW contacts despite the likes of Bill Goldberg, Sting and so on being available. Of course the likes of Steve Austin and the Rock would have been expecting their contracts to increase to the same level and it was not sustainable so most guys with those contracts sat them out while only a few wanted in immediately while some with standard contracts immediately joined. It meant a planned invasion angle did not work well as a WCW B team fought against the top WWF guys and it looked lopsided.

WCW wasn't beaten by WWF though, WCW took the equivalent of a massive drug overdose by going OTT in their battle with McMahon, spent a lot of money on extravagant contracts and other expenses that were unsustainable and died as a result of their excesses.

This somewhat reminds me of the BBC erasing their first few seasons of Doctor Who in the 60's after they had been shown because they thought the idea of showing episodes twice or that keeping them for "rerun" purposes was a waste of space and money.

If only they had known the power that geeks all over the world would have decades later and how much money they would pull from DVD boxed sets.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - JBK405 - 09-04-2016

Actors and writers used to be vehemently opposed to re-runs, since they thought it would replace new content completely and shut down TV/film production and put them all out of business.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lady_Hawkeye - 09-04-2016

I remember listening to a podcast about the very early days of Beta and VHS tapes and how some studios tried to sue the entire concept of recording or owning movies at home because they thought that it would kill the movie market if people could say, not only watch Star Wars on tv but record it and watch it whenever they wanted.

They pushed for tapes that would auto erase themselves whenever you would re-watch a movie you had recorded. That tech lasted all of two seconds since it was apparently super easy to take out the magnet in the tape that did the erasing. And soon after they realised that video stores weren't killing the theater industry.

I get that they couldn't predict the future market and all but it's kinda funny how they were so far off. We are now in an era where fans will pay over a hundred bucks to buy an new boxed set of Blu-Ray for something they already own because the picture and sound were cleaned up or they added some new commentaries or special effects.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Weeto - 09-04-2016

Something that is a source of amusement is that the first regular TV service was the BBC's (which would become BBC 1 as we know it now) and that the second show ever shown was a repeat of the first, a pattern that had continued ever since according to some. They are pretty bad for repeat showings though. It was actually because two systems were in use at the time and the show was actually reperformed rather than recorded and reshown.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - AndrewCrossett - 09-04-2016

(09-04-2016, 06:33 PM)Lady_Hawkeye Wrote:  I remember listening to a podcast about the very early days of Beta and VHS tapes and how some studios tried to sue the entire concept of recording or owning movies at home because they thought that it would kill the movie market if people could say, not only watch Star Wars on tv but record it and watch it whenever they wanted.

They pushed for tapes that would auto erase themselves whenever you would re-watch a movie you had recorded. That tech lasted all of two seconds since it was apparently super easy to take out the magnet in the tape that did the erasing. And soon after they realised that video stores weren't killing the theater industry.

I get that they couldn't predict the future market and all but it's kinda funny how they were so far off. We are now in an era where fans will pay over a hundred bucks to buy an new boxed set of Blu-Ray for something they already own because the picture and sound were cleaned up or they added some new commentaries or special effects.

The same thing happened when blank audio cassettes started exploding in popularity in the late 70's. The record companies were sure that everyone would just record stuff off the radio, or record all their friends' records, and never buy any music.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - JBK405 - 09-04-2016

In the Netflix series The Get Down, which is sort-of inspired by real life, there's literal gang enforcers on DJ payrolls to keep people from recording their shows.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lester C - 09-05-2016

Stright up bull!@#$. You guys talked about porn but then the closed closed before i could jump in. Angry

In other news I called ATT Uverse tech support and the lady I spoke with sounded like a machine. I'm not kidding a rea l life human being sounded like a robot it was like an Indian version of the female Windows voice giving tech support. I can't believe customer service has come to training humans to sound like an ai voice because that's what the customer expects. Credit to everyone involved though she fixed my issue stright away and did an amazing job.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - JBK405 - 09-05-2016

I have on many occasions been suspected (accused?) of being a robot. Including several times when people began pressing buttons after I picked up the phone and trying to leave a message.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lester C - 09-05-2016

I've heard your voice before from when you made a video about a Batwoman comic. You voice sounded just like I always thought it would sound which is a good thing. You have an awsome voice.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Weeto - 09-05-2016

I bet you would all find my voice extremely weird.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - AndrewCrossett - 09-05-2016

My voice just sounds like the buzzing of insects unless you stand in a pentagram at a crossroads at midnight.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lady_Hawkeye - 09-05-2016

I think I win that contest.

I hate my voice. I'm 5'5", 135 lbs, look and act feminine..............and have Clint Eastwood's voice.

New people that I meet tend to have a WTF look when they first hear me speak.

I still get called "sir" when on the telephone.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Weeto - 09-05-2016

This old video of the day we got our dog Kiwi has my voice in it. My Dad is on screen but the narration voice is mine.

https://youtu.be/Ow6qSkQMuWs


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Hybrid2 - 09-05-2016

(09-05-2016, 08:56 PM)Lady_Hawkeye Wrote:  I think I win that contest.

I hate my voice. I'm 5'5", 135 lbs, look and act feminine..............and have Clint Eastwood's voice.

New people that I meet tend to have a WTF look when they first hear me speak.

I still get called "sir" when on the telephone.

So this will hapend when we finally meet.




(09-05-2016, 09:32 PM)Weeto Wrote:  This old video of the day we got our dog Kiwi has my voice in it. My Dad is on screen but the narration voice is mine.

https://youtu.be/Ow6qSkQMuWs

I heard weirder. :-P


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - JBK405 - 09-06-2016

(09-05-2016, 10:44 PM)Hybrid2 Wrote:  So this will hapend when we finally meet.



I suppose that depends. How lucky do you feel?


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lady_Hawkeye - 09-06-2016

Finished listening to the the 1982, first John gardner James Bond novel In Special Services.

It was ok, but I thought SPECTRE's plot was a little silly when it was given.

They wanted to grab NORAD's nuclear missiles with the help of..........mind controlling ice cream.

Gentlemen, I give you the face of SPECTRE 2.0

[Image: ben-and-jerrys.jpg]


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Lady_Hawkeye - 09-06-2016

(09-05-2016, 10:44 PM)Hybrid2 Wrote:  So this will hapend when we finally meet.


Oh Please..............

I don't carry a 44 Magnum but a Walter PPK. It's much more appropriate.

You can see a video here of the original Q Geoffrey Boothroyd, a British firearm expert who apparently, liked to shoot gun into his own dressers inside his house to show you what that gun could do compared to a .44 Magnum. (His poor wife lol ).





Also, since he is the original Q, I guess it means that JBK has to now wear that sweet mustache.

[Image: ian_fleming_Geoffrey_Boothroyd.jpg]


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - JBK405 - 09-06-2016

(09-06-2016, 06:58 PM)Lady_Hawkeye Wrote:  Finished listening to the the 1982, first John gardner James Bond novel In Special Services.

It was ok, but I thought SPECTRE's plot was a little silly when it was given.

They wanted to grab NORAD's nuclear missiles with the help of..........mind controlling ice cream.

Gentlemen, I give you the face of SPECTRE 2.0

[Image: ben-and-jerrys.jpg]

Well, they did secretly develop a new brand of grape-flavored dog-poisoning ice cream.

No, seriously.

Quote:Actually, i know why this is:

Grapes contain a a special molecule Anthocyanin that prevents freezing, so you’d keep ending up with grape milk. Many ice cream companies and manufacturers have made bold attempts at grape ice cream, hardly any of them successful.

But then, finally, those geniuses at Ben and Jerry’s did it. So why don’t we have grape ice cream?

Here’s the thing: Ben confessed in a People Magazine interview in 1984 that he had a huge crush on Becky and promised to create the flavor just for her. Knowing the history of grape ice cream, she coyly requested it, thinking it to be impossible. Ben began to include the grape skin and juice to better see the differences between batches. While he didn’t understand the science behind this at the time, he found that including the skins increased the levels of anthocyanin enough to make the ice cream freeze. “Becky was impressed,” he remarked, “We were at her house, alone. I gave her the scoop – on a cone. I was really getting somewhere. She was laughing and happy. She couldn’t believe I did it. I’ll never forget what happened next.”

“Becky jokingly gave her dog a lick from the cone. He liked it and took a couple of licks. Then he just gasped and dropped dead. He flipped down onto the floor and was just gone. I had no idea grapes are toxic to dogs. Specifically to the anthocyanin. Becky was devasted. I had invented a deadly dog poison, and I definitely wasn’t getting anywhere with her now.”

Yeah.

tldr; The reason we don’t have grape ice cream is because Ben from Ben and Jerry’s killed Jerry’s hot sister’s dog with it.



RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Weeto - 09-07-2016

I didn't know that grapes apparently have a bad effect on dogs sometimes and I actually gave my previous dog grapes a few times, totally unaware they were potentially dangerous. They didn't do him any harm though as he lived to 15 and died of a completely unassociated illness.


RE: Super Chat Part 15: The return of that one guy with the thing. - Weeto - 09-07-2016

The grape thing is apparently more related to a potentially lethal allergy that is impossible to detect otherwise so obviously it is better to avoid them. I keep having to tell my Mum not to give the dog any cakes or cookies with raisins and because she has Alzheimer's it can be impossible to get through to her at times or you have to tell her repeatedly.

Apparently a lot of dogs don't show bad effects to grapes but it is not worth risking the health of a dog just to give them grapes or raisins. Macadamia nuts are apparently also bad. I've heard onions are bad too but I've heard of some dry foods having onion content so that is a little confusing. Again, I have given my dog some foods with low onion content, such as stew or soup and they have not done him any harm but I wouldn't give him anything with large amounts of onions or any pieces of raw onion.